Natalie Wynn is my favorite YouTuber where she makes these remarkable videos, [which] combines social theory and politics under the moniker ContraPoints. You’ll hear us reference a video she made on cancellation and J.K. Rowling in here, and I really do recommend looking them up. Both of [my guests] have had experience on both sides of this issue, and they’ve come out of it on the other end with, in my view, unusually complex, nuanced views of how this plays out and what it all means. So this is a great conversation, one I wanted to have for a long time, and I’m glad we did.
Recorded by Ezra Klein